PBS's Chef Pati Jinich Explores PanAmericana

Host Sandra Abrams has a lively conversation with James Beard Award winning chef, author, and TV show host, Pati Jinich. Pati shares insights on how she blends food, culture, and history into the making of her PBS docuseries, “Pati Jinich Explores Panamericana” - now streaming on the PBS app. In the series, Pati loosely tracks the “Pan-American Highway” where she travels from Alaska to Canada visiting the food scene in remote towns. In each episode, Pati weaves together culture, the history of migration, and food to help the audience understand what brings us together. 

In this conversation, Pati shares funny and colorful stories, including how her own family history of emigrating to Mexico from Poland helped her connect with the owner of a bagel and bialy stand in Alaska. The series reinforces that we often connect by sharing memories of the same family experiences with food. 

In addition to this three-part series, Pati has an Emmy-nominated public television series, Pati’s Mexican Table, which premiered its 14th season in September, and a James Beard Award-winning PBS primetime docuseries, La Frontera with Pati Jinich. Pati is also featured on the cover of Bethesda Magazine’s September/October issue, “Women Who Inspire: Meet local leaders who are making an impact now.” 

To learn more about Pati and her projects:

https://patijinich.com/

https://www.pbs.org/show/pati-jinich-explores-panamericana/

https://www.pbs.org/show/patis-mexican-table/

https://www.pbs.org/show/la-frontera-pati-jinich/

https://bethesdamagazine.com/2025/08/28/women-who-inspire-2025/

https://www.instagram.com/patijinich/

Transcript

VO
00:01 - 00:06
Quiet on the side. All together. Good, good, good, good, good. Action. 

VO
00:10 - 00:21
Welcome to Media Makers Spotlight from Women in Film and Video in Washington, D.C. We bring you conversations with industry professionals for behind the screens, insight and inspiration. 

Sandra Abrams
00:22 - 02:29
In this episode, I sit down with James Beard, award-winning chef, author, and TV host, Patti Hinnage. She is here to talk about the making of her new docuseries, Patti Hinnage Explores Panamericana, streaming now on the PBS app. The new show loosely tracks the Panamerican highway. Welcome to Media Maker Spotlight. I'm your host, Sandra Abrams. And in this series, Patti travels from Alaska to Canada and all the way down to Argentina, meeting people from all walks of life. In each episode, Patty uses food as a gateway to help us, the audience, learn about culture, history, and traditions. In addition to being a James Beard award-winning chef, she's also a New York Times bestselling author. There's one of her books. She's Emmy-nominated television host who has dedicated her career to building a shared understanding between her two neighboring home countries, Mexico, where she was born, and the United States, where she now lives, raising her family. But before all that, she was a policy analyst with a master's degree from Georgetown University, specializing in Latin American issues. But food started to become a bigger part of her life. And with her family's encouragement, she switched careers and went to culinary school. Her first show, Patty's Mexican Table, in which she is the executive producer premiered on PBS in 2011. And as the saying goes, the rest is history. Welcome to Media Maker Spotlight and congratulations on the new primetime docuseries, Patty. Thank you so much, Sandra. So lovely talking to you today. What is the Pan American Highway and why did you want to explore this route? I love this question. So the Pan American Highway is a series of roads and highways that connect communities, regions and countries from the top of Alaska to the bottom of Argentina. 

Patty Jinisch
02:29 - 06:35
And it is like it has historically been a symbol of collaboration and connection. So after doing Patty's Mexican Table from going on my 14th season one, going back and forth Mexico and the U.S. and trying to forge bonds between Mexico and the U.S. and sharing who we are as Mexicans, not only with the U.S., but also it's been humbling for me as a Mexican in Mexico and abroad to know more about ourselves. Then I went to La Frontera, where I tracked the entire U.S.-Mexico borderlands from San Diego, Tijuana, to Brownsville, north and south of the border, meeting with people from the 31 million people that live in the U.S. borderland communities. Again, like breaking myths and preconceptions about what a fronterizo is, what a borderlander is. And I was in continuous touch increasingly with my migrant part. You know, I come from a family, a long line of immigrants that came to the Americas looking for safety, looking for freedom, looking for a place where they could build a home. Both sets of my grandparents tried to come to the United States of America in different times in history for different reasons. On my paternal side, it was Polish farmers who were fleeing programs. When they tried to get into the U.S., the Polish quota had been filled. So they were diverted in Mexico. On my mother's side, it was the Holocaust, Austrian and Czech. And when they were trying to come to the U.S., the Jewish quota had been filled. So both sets of grandparents came to Mexico, grew strong roots. Mexico made them their own. and super proud Mexicans. And I just wanted to give back to a country that gave my family so much. And then I became a migrant myself. You know, these Mexican Jews moving to the U.S., having Mexican-American kids. And I, in a way, wanted to make sense of my kaleidoscope of identities, realizing that everybody has a kaleidoscope of identities. What can we learn about each other? And so this is what started the journey through the Pan-American Highway, because I realized that, of course, we want to celebrate the differences, but we want to find the common ground, the cultural connections that enrich us, the lessons learned that we don't seem to learn. And I realized that whereas the different migration waves into the Americas, not only the United States of America, but the Americas, like what are the lessons learned in the people who were first here throughout the Americas, the Alaska Natives, the First Nation in Canada, the indigenous in America, in Mexico and South America and Latin America and the Caribbean. It seems that in the end, we're all hankering to find a home. We're all longing to belong. It's become a mission to reimagine what it means to be an American trying to take us outside of our USA box and connecting with our sister neighbors' countries and making us stronger. Like what makes the United States of America so special and so beautiful, I think, is that it is a place that has threads that weave to places throughout the hemisphere. So if we learn more about the people in Alaska, if we learn more about people in Canada, if we learn more about people in Mexico, we're going to learn more about the communities that make our fabric. so it's been humbling enlightening Sandra I had not been to Alaska before I had not been that was 

VO
06:35 - 06:44
your first time so it was my first time in Alaska it was my first so this season season one goes from 

Patty Jinisch
06:44 - 07:21
the top of Alaska from Utqiagic to the bottom of Alaska Hollywood Cove and then Juneau and that connects to its sister city in the Yukon territories in Canada in Whitehorse and then we go down western Canada through Alberta and I had not been to any of these places and it was just humbling inspiring and like just incredibly humbling how much we don't know for example we were in Juneau Alaska where one of the largest Filipino communities are Filipinos 

VO
07:21 - 07:23
I was so shocked. 

Patty Jinisch
07:23 - 08:24
Yes. But people don't know that it's one of the main minorities. But what people don't know is that the Philippines was part of the U.S. Around the time that these big Filipino way of migrants came to Alaska. So the U.S. brought them here when the Philippines was a territory. And the Philippines was a territory of the U.S. for 50 years. So people are like, why are Filipinos coming? Well, because they were invited, they were brought, they were, you know. And so it's having these background and this historical information, like helps us understand so much about who we are. And then food just opens up a space where you can communicate about extremely difficult topics. in Juneau, I was talking to Jennifer Quinto, who was telling me about. 

Sandra Abrams
08:25 - 08:31
Did you see that episode? Yes, I saw that when she was telling about what happened and her family and everything. 

Patty Jinisch
08:31 - 10:24
And I was just adopted and her mom was sent to a residential school. And there we are eating these delicious Filipino adobo chicken as we're both crying. And as a Mexican-American Jew, trying to make sense of my identities and having felt part of groups that have been narrowly defined and demonized and stigmatized, like I understand what it is like to feel shame and to feel like you don't belong and like you're treading worlds and you want to leave your kids a sturdier sense of home. Yes, absolutely. We wanted to get the DNA of the places we were traveling through and we were just surprised at the strength of the stories that surfaced that you cannot do without because they define a place. I feel incredibly privileged to be able to bring the microphone and the cameras. And I work so hard to executive produce and bring the funding and make this happen so we can have a show and a platform that comes without a bias for people to tell us what they need to share and without manipulation, without editing of we want to keep this out. Listen, we heard people saying in Alaska, we'd love to be our own nation. And we heard from people saying we love being a part of the U.S. We heard people in Alberta, we'd love to be a part of the U.S. And people saying. And that's the current right that that's and that's so timely. 

Sandra Abrams
10:24 - 10:41
And that's in the news. And then you hear, you know, the prime minister from Canada just came and said, well, there are certain places that are not for sale. the White House, Buckingham Palace and Canada. So you're hearing all sides. And that's wonderful that you're hearing this wide range of people and saying, OK, here it is. 

Patty Jinisch
10:41 - 10:43
We're not saying, no, we're not going to. 

Sandra Abrams
10:44 - 10:45
Right. Exactly. 

Patty Jinisch
10:45 - 11:42
And, you know, the people that told us we'd love to be a part of the US, we did our research before this president got elected. It was 30 percent of Canadians. That's a high number. It's a high number. We're not going to quiet their voice, But we're also not going to quiet the voice of the others that are saying we're so proud about being who we are. So I love PBS because of that, because you have the power to go at it without an agenda and just sharing the stories and sharing a portrait of what you find. And to me, that is that's invaluable. It's educating. It's changing the narrative. It's learning. It's sparking dialogue and not being stuck in pendulums, you know, like really trying to find the shades of gray. 

Sandra Abrams
11:43 - 12:43
Well, speaking of finding the narrative and finding the story, I really have to zone in on episode one. There were so many great things, you know, from the grandmother who was in Puerto Rico and left and came and the group of young kids who were there singing their songs. but I have to focus on Nina. I have to. Nina, I know. I was like, if you have not seen Patty's show, you have to watch episode one just to find out more about Nina. And she was just, she was priceless. That was a gem of TV moment and it was fun. So not only did you learn about her culture and how she came from Russia to the United States, But again, food with the food. And she said, don't cut the dumpling, eat the dumpling. And she was wrapping you in these jaws. And you said, at one point, I have a question. And she said, wait, I'm not finished yet. How did you find Nina? 

Patty Jinisch
12:43 - 13:33
She's been one of the most challenging stories to film. Because, you know, I thrive in Unscripted. We plan where we're going. We plan who we're going to meet. Pero luego, vamos a hacer un problema. are the main groups? What are the main professions? How do people live here? So if foraging is a thing, 

Sandra Abrams
13:33 - 13:46
we want to meet with someone who forages. Yes, those two, when you did it in the first episode and in the second episode, you were foraging for the juniper berries and you're with the woman and her husband and the dog. I was like, oh, that looks so beautiful and so wonderful. I was 

Patty Jinisch
13:47 - 14:40
like, I want to be there foraging. Yes. So if, if, you know, salmon is the main thing, we need to find someone who will fish. So in pre-production, we work, you know, together as a team with a production company, the director, the producer, finding the stories, getting recommendations, reading about the place, getting connections. And we heard about Nikolayevsk. And so when the team was scouting, they went, they met Nina and they said, we must visit Nina. First of all, the dumplings were pretty fabulous. And second of all, like she is such a character, but nothing could have prepared us for filming with Nina. It was raining. It was like thunder. And this is like typical weather of Alaska, 

Sandra Abrams
14:40 - 14:47
because I did see a few times where like the weather was so gorgeous when you were, you know, going out. I was like, wow. Very uneven. 

Patty Jinisch
14:47 - 14:59
like some gorgeous days, some really great days, some really cold days, some really hot days. And the day that we were driving to Nicole, yes, it was the sky was falling apart. 

VO
15:00 - 15:01
I mean, it was pouring down. 

Patty Jinisch
15:02 - 15:07
And so we knocked on her door and she had forgotten she wasn't that ready. 

Sandra Abrams
15:09 - 15:20
Oh, my gosh. Talk about you've got the camera crew. You've got all this whole production people. Oh, my gosh. And so you don't know what's going to happen. 

Patty Jinisch
15:21 - 16:16
Right. You don't know what's going to happen. But we had driven hours to get to her. And so, you know, our team said we can help you get ready, clear out a little space because she wasn't ready like at all. There wasn't one place to sit down inside of her restaurant home. And finally, you know, we got ready. We go in and it was so funny. We actually, you know, there's so much you can include because you may be filming something for two hours, but it boils down to six minutes. When I first come in and I knock and it's raining and she says, I'll be there, I'll be there. She comes out and she looks at me and she says, oh, no, I can't give you food. You need to leave. And I said, what do you mean? And she said, you need to leave because PBS is coming. Go. And I'm like, no, no, I'm I'm with PBS. 

VO
16:17 - 16:19
I'm with the show. She only knew in PBS. 

Patty Jinisch
16:19 - 16:53
She knew exactly. She like, go. And I'm like, no, no, it's me. I swear I'm with PBS. But she couldn't see the cameras because they were like hiding to make the scene happen. And we explained and we started and then it was like one thing after another. Like, don't cut this way. Don't drink this way. Here's a cushion under your butt. He's a shell over your shoulders. And he was rolling with the punches, as they say. It was difficult, but incredibly fun, you know? And that's a story that a lot of people comment on. 

Sandra Abrams
16:54 - 17:20
Definitely. Well, the other thing was, you know, there was also Kendra. And at one point she's talking about her crab legs are the best. And I'm thinking, I live in Maryland. No, Maryland crabs are the best. Like you could relate to everything. But it was also the couple that had the Bialy and coffee place where you drive up and you're getting that. And you had this, you know, meeting somebody in the middle of Alaska. They also had the same family background. 

VO
17:21 - 17:23
And then, you know, that was wonderful. 

Sandra Abrams
17:24 - 17:34
And I guess sitting in the edit bay, I guess that's when you added your own parent grandparents photos. But that must have been great as well. Just you couldn't have planned that. 

Patty Jinisch
17:34 - 19:30
I mean, it was so beautiful because it turns out that Ruben Gerber, his grandfather came from a town that was like the neighboring town of my grandfather. They fled Poland at the same time because of the same reasons, because of programs and difficulty surviving. And his grandfather was able to make it into the U.S. My grandfather wasn't. And here you are one, two generations later. I'm a Mexican. He's a citizen of the United States of America. And he's living in Alaska. And we're sitting there eating a biali. And the last time that I had eaten a biali was with my grandfather before he died. Oh, that's so, oh my gosh, that's just so, yeah. So it's like we're both descendants of Polish Jews who had eaten these with our grandparents. We're in an unexpected place. I like if my grandfather could have known, you know, that people were making bialis in Alaska and that his granddaughter was going to be eating a biali with the grandson of someone who could have been his neighbor. Exactly. And we're both here in this hemisphere. We're both in the U.S. We're both trying to make our home. And we're both giving the gifts and the treasures of our heritage to the place that we belong. And so it's incredible because, Sandra, it's a very bittersweet journey where I feel like, you know, through things that have happened during filming and after filming, like my father-in-law passed away. 

Sandra Abrams
19:31 - 19:32
Oh, I'm so sorry. 

Patty Jinisch
19:33 - 19:33
Yeah. 

Sandra Abrams
19:34 - 19:36
May his memory be a blessing. 

Patty Jinisch
19:37 - 20:55
And it is like it truly is. And you realize like I was telling a friend this morning, I feel like my heart got bigger and I can love deeper. And the content that I do, I want it to be more meaningful. It is the stories. Yes. And they make you so sad, but they make you so happy. Yes. At the same time. And I'd rather live a life that way than be numb and look for it. I'm not afraid to open the wound. And I'm not afraid to share it with others and connect. And that's the beauty of food is that it allows you to connect in a very personal way. And I feel like the content that I do is increasingly less about the recipe. But of course, we share the recipes. But it's more about the stories that these food bring and how they connect us. Because the recipes and the food are here before we come into this earth. And we're going to leave. And the food will remain, you know, my grandfather and Ruben's grandfather was were eating the Bialis. 

Sandra Abrams
20:56 - 21:29
Here we are eating the Bialis. Right. And when you were talking in the second episode to Gina, who was formerly the Canadian Mountain and then was now she was doing the nonprofit work, you know, in a way was what was healing her. And you were talking about you have a responsibility to all the different sides, too. But it's also the recipes and carrying on those recipes, carrying on the memories of your family. And I just thought that was so beautiful. And that's something, you know, you're doing in this episode is, you know, people are saying, oh, here's this recipe and that recipe. 

Patty Jinisch
21:29 - 22:27
Because there are been stories, you know, and these stories bear pain in their, you know, difficult situations. But then there's the healing and then there's the rebuilding a home and finding a home in a place that should be your home. You know, for Alaska natives, that's their home. And for the newcomers in Alberta, you will see in the third episode, there's Ukrainians, there's Punjabis, there's Nigerian. And there's, of course, the Canadians. But Canada is a very young country made of immigrants. and the First Nation people that were there. And you can call them the first immigrants because of course they came from, if you go back in history, they crossed the Bering Strait. But I feel like that is a fact of life. Like as long as there has been humanity and humans, people have moved. 

Sandra Abrams
22:28 - 23:02
Right. Well, speaking of move, how did you move the camera equipment? How did you pack? How did you, you know, that to me was, I used to be a field producer in New York. I used to work for CNN Financial News. I worked for MSNBC. And they would say, OK, tomorrow morning, you're leaving on a plane. You'll be gone two days, five days. But I was not on camera. So I would just throw anything in the suitcase. So here you are. You're not only executive producing. You've got to get everybody on the road. And you, but you're also on camera. 

Patty Jinisch
23:03 - 24:11
How did you pack and prepare for something like that? That is insane. It is a lot. That's why I love doing radio and podcasts. I mean, now we're doing video too. But because when you do radio and you do podcasts, like it's about the stories you tell and you can focus more. Of course, when we have the TV and we have the cameras, but I love meeting the people and I just I'm unbridled. I love going on the road. But you have to try to look good. Right. Yeah. How did you do that? What's your tips, advice? We're pouring down rain. You know, we knew Kavik. The weather was just the hair was a mess. So we have a small crew where seven people, there's one director, two cameras, one sound, and one producer, me and hair and makeup. And my hair and makeup artist, Gabby, is incredible. She not only does hair and makeup, but she helps with production with everything. We meet every morning before people start. She and I start two hours before. 

VO
24:12 - 24:13
Two hours before. 

Patty Jinisch
24:13 - 24:14
Oh, my gosh. 

Sandra Abrams
24:14 - 24:17
The call time is at seven for everybody. 

Patty Jinisch
24:18 - 24:19
Your call sheet says seven. 

Sandra Abrams
24:20 - 24:26
Your call time on the call sheet. You're at 5 a.m. Oh, my God. I put together call sheets before. 

Patty Jinisch
24:27 - 25:40
Yes, that's early. So we have two hours before, but if we're meeting at 5 a.m., that means that Gabby and I are waking up at 4.30. So waking up really early and then trying to look good. And then having done the research and preparing on who are we meeting? What's their background? You know, what are some great questions that we can share? And as a team, we prepare. But honestly, what matters is what you do in the moment. Because you can have the research, you can have an idea of the story. But if you don't connect with the person, you have nothing. Like if they're not willing to open up and share, you have nothing. And I've learned that in order for people to open up, you have to open up and be vulnerable. And that takes a lot. that takes a lot emotionally, mentally. And after the day ends, I feel like I've made such intense new friends because we connected and bonded so deeply. But I mean, even again. No. Mm hmm. Right. 

Sandra Abrams
25:40 - 25:58
Well, especially, you know, you've got the guy in a boat. He's throwing the fish over to I think that was Halibut Cove. And, you know, and also I was like, I would have been like a fish. You know, I love eating fish, but, you know, not someone throwing and you're like, OK, or, you know, you jumped in and you did the glass blowing. 

Patty Jinisch
25:58 - 27:07
I just thought, wow, that was great. That was a beautiful story. I'm telling you, I don't have a favorite story. I think they're all incredible. I think all the people we met opened up and connected and shared so much about themselves and their stories and it gave us a glimpse into what makes humanity you know throughout the Americas and I really wanted to take us outside of the box outside of Mexico Mexico U.S. Mexico U.S. it's like we're in this hemisphere we're in the Americas like what what's about the Americas that's special and unique and has drawn these different people throughout history? What about the people that have been here? And where are we at now? What lessons can we learn from the way that different communities and regions have tackled the essential issues of our time? And I mean, I hope we take a cue and I hope we share the lessons and I hope many people watch the show. 

Sandra Abrams
27:08 - 27:39
There are so many wonderful people in the shows and so many little stories that, you know, we we only touched on a few, but everything was just so it was fun. But it was also heartwarming, you know, learning about all these people. So there's the episode where the scene where you're with the Filipino community and you're eating and he has the pig's blood and you went and you were so great on camera. I would have been like, not for me. You did a great job on that part. 

Patty Jinisch
27:39 - 28:00
So I tried two soups. One was like an intestines soup that wasn't that tasty that I said, oh, that's interesting. It was very acidic. But the pig's blood with the pig's liver, I have to tell you, it was delicious. Really? It was really tasty. Okay. 

VO
28:01 - 28:01
All right. 

Patty Jinisch
28:01 - 28:13
The one with the intestines was too tart for my taste. And you definitely need that acquired taste. But the other one was rich and bold and interesting. 

Sandra Abrams
28:13 - 28:18
And did the crew also eat or did they have opinions as well? What was the crew saying? 

Patty Jinisch
28:20 - 28:26
They ate all the food. They tried all the food. I don't think everybody tried the intestines and the pig's blood. 

VO
28:27 - 28:29
And some in the crew did. 

Patty Jinisch
28:29 - 28:40
Everything else that we ate, everybody ate. Especially there's a few Mexicans in the team. And they're as adventurous as I am. But everybody delighted in the journey. 

Sandra Abrams
28:41 - 28:56
That's wonderful. You did talk about your family history. How are you incorporating that? Because they came, you know, they brought their foods. How are you incorporating your immigrants, families, food choices into what you do today? 

Patty Jinisch
28:57 - 29:44
So that's a great question. And I think we're barely starting. You know, we barely started the journey. Season one is Alaska to Canada. I'm hoping that with season two, we will cross through the lower 48 and go through states that I haven't visited before, like Montana and Wyoming. So we touched on like my paternal grandfather's story when we were in Anchorage. And I'm super open to continue exploring and connecting with the rest of my family history. I feel like the older I get, the bolder I get, the more that I want to know, the more that I think I don't really care as much to what people thinking that, oh, I'm not going to say this. I'm not going to say that. 

Sandra Abrams
29:44 - 29:50
That's definitely true. I think we all get to a point. Yes, we say enough of this. I'm just right. 

Patty Jinisch
29:50 - 30:21
Yeah, I want to learn. I want to go all in. And so I think that's the attitude. and I'm open to being surprised and being humbled. And that's why I love Unscripted so much because you can plan, but you really never know until you're there with the cameras. You know, you may be filming Joe Schmo and suddenly his grandma appears and she's amazing too. And she wants to be a part of it. You make room, you know? 

Sandra Abrams
30:22 - 30:42
Definitely. I loved all the camaraderie and everybody sitting around the tables on that. But I also love, though, from your other shows, you had your kids involved. Were they what would those conversations like? Were they like, Mom, don't embarrass me or Mom, I only want to eat the food. You know, they didn't care about being in, you know, on the trips or anything. 

Patty Jinisch
30:42 - 32:14
It's funny because we started filming Patty's Mexican Table in my home kitchen and my boys were very little and I didn't want them to be a part of it because I didn't want to invade privacy. I didn't want to make them characters on the show. I want them to have their own life, make their own decisions and decide what they're going to do. But as we continued filming in the kitchen, this is their home. This is their kitchen. So it's like, do you want to have a bite of this? Do you want to have a bite of that? Or, you know, I'll help you do that. And I was always very careful about not telling them, no, you can't be a part of it, but not asking them, can you please be a part of it? So it was always like tug and pull, whatever they felt comfortable with. And at this point, I really feel like they they they always come and they're always a part of it. But I think it's become a thing where they want to indulge me. They know the show is a big part of my life and it's become a big part of our family life. And I think my boys have gone through the ups and downs of my entrepreneurial, you know, career in media. They've seen the doors shut. They've been they've seen me knock on doors. They've seen me fight for funding. They've seen me work with teams where it's very difficult to collaborate there. So they've seen the challenges and then they've seen the results. And I'm happy to say that I think they're proud. 

VO
32:15 - 32:17
They're proud of the work that I do. 

Patty Jinisch
32:17 - 32:25
And honestly, that's my biggest goal. I want them to be proud and I want them to find something that they love, that they will be proud of. 

Sandra Abrams
32:25 - 32:31
That's wonderful. Well, our local paper, The Washington Post, you just been named to the next 50. 

Patty Jinisch
32:32 - 32:33
That's special. 

Sandra Abrams
32:33 - 32:37
There's special honors. So congratulations on that. Thank you. 

VO
32:38 - 32:38
That's yeah. 

Patty Jinisch
32:38 - 33:04
I when they said, you know, you're going to be a part of the next 50 people that influence culture. And I was like, wow, is that in D.C.? And they said, no, no, no, no, no. Like that influence culture everywhere. And I was like, oh, my gosh, that's a big responsibility. Now I have to do a better job, you know, we're editing the episodes. And I had that in my head like, oh, my gosh. Yeah. 

Sandra Abrams
33:05 - 33:24
That that's really wonderful. So you've done cookbooks. You're a New York Times bestselling cookbook author. Do you think a cookbook will be coming from this journey along the Pan American Highway? Well, I've been asked. I have a fourth cookbook that I'm working on now that will come out in 2026. 

Patty Jinisch
33:25 - 34:27
I think, who knows, as I continue the journey down the Pan American Highway, I may find that we need a collection of recipes, but I haven't gotten there yet. We just started the journey. Where can people go for recipes? Okay, so people can stream the episodes from Patty Hinnage Explores Panamericana on pbs.org and the PBS app. And then they're going to go on Amazon Prime as well. The recipes you can find in PBS food. And you can also find in PBS slash Panamericana. You can find not only the episodes, but also digital, like fun digital extras. us. So how long is this series for? So this was the first season was a three part season. So three hours. I'm hoping the next season will also be a three part season crossing down through the U.S. and hopefully we'll make it to Argentina in a couple more seasons. Well, wonderful. Well, 

Sandra Abrams
34:27 - 34:38
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34:39 - 35:20
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